Yahoo & MSN: non Zen+non Zen=? (Guest Post)

02.01.08 | Category: Interaction Design, Simplicity, Zen Search

Bamboo SearchYahoo: decidedly Non-Zen
Today MSN announced a bid to acquire Yahoo for $44.6B. This completes Yahoo’s slow slide downhill from the top of the search Mount Olympus.

One can argue that lack of focus on Zen features, particularly Simplicity, in Yahoo’s Search Advertising business was the major force behind this slide.

1. Complexity of opening an Advertiser Account in Yahoo: It has always been difficult, time-consuming and non-intuitive to open an account in Yahoo. Before, with the old Overture interface, the difference with Google in this respect was stunning. Now, under Panama, this problem is less pronounced but it is still more difficult.
Why does it matter? An easier interface allows more “long tail” advertisers to join in, building a more populated search advertising marketplace which generates more money. Think about online auctions: sellers sell their items on eBay, not on other auction sites, because eBay has the most buyers. Thus they get the highest price for their items. Similarly, it is a no-brainer for companies like AOL to partner with Google—this way they can get the highest price for their users’ searches.

2. Complexity of opening a Publisher Account in Yahoo: It took years for Yahoo to create a program analogous to Google’s AdSense with self-serve publisher sign up. In contrast, Google’s AdSense publisher network of mostly small publishers has been a major driver of the search giant’s growth for years.

3. Complex Editorial Rules: To advertise in Yahoo, one has to be an expert on their complicated rules on what is allowed and what is not. If advertisers make many mistakes, they can be banished. In contrast, Google has much fewer rules. Even if you make a mistake, Google’s automated review through scripts will make the adjustment to your account for you.

4. Complexity of creating comprehensive keyword lists: In Yahoo or Google, advertisers bid on the specific keywords relevant to their business. In Yahoo, they generally need to identify all of the synonyms of these keywords in order to show up in search results. In Google, you don’t really need that—Google automatically identifies most of these synonyms for you. For example, if you search for “san fran refi” from my location in Palo Alto CA today, you get only 2 ads in Yahoo and 16 in Google (1, 2, 3). Very few of these 16 advertisers in Google buy the specific search phrase “san fran refi” itself. Rather, Google’s technology identifies these ads as related to that search phrase. This feature makes it easier for advertisers to cover all of their relevant searches. This is just another example, per Drue’s earlier post, when complex technology makes it simple for the customer.

Microsoft: Has it lost its (borrowed) Zen?
While Yahoo was never Zen, Microsoft arguably had some Zen aspects in its early technologies (many through copying Apple): intuitive graphical interface, common relatively simple menus in its Office applications. Its recent foray in Search, however, has been far from Zen. AdCenter, MSN’s Search Advertising product, has the least intuitive and slowest User Interface of all major search players as well as the most cluttered and inefficient API (Changing attributes of
OrderItemIDs in AdCenter’s API, anyone???)

The question is, will the Yahoo acquisition somehow trigger MicroHoo to find its Zen? Or not?

Here is a great summary of reactions recapped by Danny Sullivan.

Post by Svetlozar Kazanjiev
Director of Market Optimization and Ad Buying
Turn, Inc.

11 Comments so far

  1. Angus Blackwood

    I Googled and Yahooed “Zen” and the first hit for both portals was the Wikipedia page on Zen. Out of brand loyalty and appreciation for all the free lunches I have enjoyed at the Googleplex, I clicked through Google’s page and began reading Wikipedia’s take on Zen. “Zen,” the Wiki waxes, “holds that these things (text, verbal discourse) lead the practitioner to seek external answers, rather than searching within their own minds…” and “The importance of Zen’s non-reliance on written words is often misunderstood as being against the use of words.”

    Clearly, it’s not Zen to search-and-surf “Zen”!

  2. Jonathan Shottan

    I couldn’t agree more with you in regards to lack of Zen vis-a-vis the Yahoo and MSN search advertising platforms.

    However, Yahoo does excel in certain areas. Like–display advertising. Does that expertise, and the ability to provide 100’s of millions of unique eyballs a month outweigh the obvious downside of two antiquated search advertising platforms…to be seen.

    I think that through this acquisition MSN will gain substaintial traction… Not through advertising. Rather, through the millions of people who use the Yahoo homepage as a portal to the internets. In this regard MSN will now have some Zen of its own. The simplicity of being the gateway to all things not search.

  3. Rishi Khaitan

    Taking a step back, assuming this deal go through, I am excited to see how Microsoft will energize Yahoo’s product strategy. Microsoft has demonstrated a profound ability to iterate on their products until they become category leaders (or serious players) – whether it was Office, SQL Server, or XBox. Yahoo on the other hand is almost the opposite in my mind. Time again they have launched intriguing products but then fail to make a serious commitment to it. Ultimately, the product languishes until its death.

    With Microsoft’s product discipline and Yahoo’s creativity (Microsoft better be putting together a solid retention package NOW for top Yahoo contributors), we may very well see some product magic after the dust settles. Further, supplanting (or complementing) MSN/Live services with Yahoo! equivalents into Windows, Windows Mobile, XBox, etc. could bring about some interesting growth opportunities. You won’t see me signing up to do the product integration work though. =)

  4. Svetlozar

    Angus– this is a funny paradox. However, one can argue that nowadays surfing, searching, reading are the new ways of conversing. So yes, you can get your Zen lessons through the Internet– it’s OK. :)

    Jonathan– you are right that Yahoo dominates display advertising. The only problem is that display ads make much less money than search. It seems to me that $45B is pretty expensive just for eyeballs: at 470B page views per month in the US (Dec 07), it translates to almost $100CPM! (admittedly, per month)

    Rishi– your point about Microsoft’s vs. Yahoo’s product development life-cycle is great. MSN so far has not been a part of this commitment to success, but maybe this will naturally result from the price-tag of the deal.

  5. Borcho

    Rishi – I agree with you. Yahoo, Microsoft (Windows, IE, Windows Mobile and Xbox) bring together the right ingredients for a broader business platform that would be more competitive than Yahoo as a standalone platform. Assuming the merger goes through, I wonder how Microsoft would go about integrating MSN/Live into Yahoo, and more importantly would they be able to put together a team to take the company to the next level?

  6. Leslie

    As someone who’s always been somewhat techno-indifferent I wasn’t introduced to Yahoo! until I started using Yahoomail in the late 90s, which I signed up for, probably because of their rather Zen image. Then, it was Hotmail that had just been absorbed into Microsoft’s hive; the Star Trek inspired “Resistance is Futile” gag seemed more threatening and true-to-life at that time. AOL was so self-contained forcing you to uses its own crappy web-crawler and etc., and there was its predecessor, the snootily named and completely useless Prodigy. Yahoo!, by contrast, with its exclamation point and it’s yodeling ads carried with it a sincerity and joy that, as irony became an obnoxious cultural movement, was so refreshing.

    Too bad the product never lived up to its marketing! To this day, Yahoomail remains slow, ugly, and cluttered with irritating, flashing ads. Each attempt to update has been worse than the last. As far as I’m concerned, image was all Yahoo! has ever offered me, and they even damaged that, irreparably, after the story of Shi Tao broke, and Yahoo!’s dealings with other Chinese dissidents. Yahoo belongs in the past, and I snootily, ironically, obnoxiously wish Microsoft all the best in trying to integrate it into something useful.

  7. Russ

    Sticking with Zen themes, we are indeed witnessing action over theory. One wonders the extent to which a potential merger of these two company cultures would be either intuitive or harmonious.

  8. Svetlozar

    Leslie– perfectly said. Indeed the story of Yahoo so far is full of disappointments.
    Russ– it will be interesting to see how things play out. I suspect that many key Yahoo people will leave & there will be lots of search-based startups in the coming months as a result. So when the merger completes, there will be no cultural backbone left in Yahoo (for good or bad)

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  11. John

    Now that Microsoft has withdrawn their bid, Yahoo once again has to deal with its own Zen, or lack thereof. Too bad Yahoo didn’t spend the last 3 months getting a new executive team and “Zenning” their products. Yahoo has always been a company with huge potential, and poor execution. I would think Microsoft quite the opposite.

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